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this seven-month stay by tamerlan in dagestan has led u.s. terror experts to speculate on what happened to tamerlan while in dagestan. here's one informed view." while it is too early to tell, i suspect that tamerlan was radicalized in the u.s. but used his months in dagestan to receive the military training and bomb-making skills needed for the boston attacks." so says glen howard, the president of 9 jamestown foundation, a d.c.-based think tank founded to help soviet dissidents. question. was there a lack of follow- through by the white house on the potential threat from chechen terrorism following our deal and our understanding with medvedev? >> i don't think we can blame it on the white house, john. but clearly the russians knew something about tamerlan when they got in touch with us. they had some information. we don't know exactly what it was. enough to go to the fbi and then go to the cia. and they believed that tamerlan was connected with chechen terrorists somehow in some way. and the idea that after all this he goes to dagestan, whi
this seven-month stay by tamerlan in dagestan has led u.s. terror experts to speculate on what happened to tamerlan while in dagestan. here's one informed view." while it is too early to tell, i suspect that tamerlan was radicalized in the u.s. but used his months in dagestan to receive the military training and bomb-making skills needed for the boston attacks." so says glen howard, the president of 9 jamestown foundation, a d.c.-based think tank founded to help soviet dissidents....
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what happened in dagestan. did he go to chechnya, is that relevant, or was this all centered, perhaps around some radical extremists he met when he was in dagestan? >> reporter: you're right, piers. we don't actually know tamerlan tsarnaev met with radical extremists. we know from his youtube channel, he posted a link to a video of a now dead dagestani extremist called abu dujan, the local almost islamist mafia warlord to a degree, a group of militants who today i spoke to police about. they showed me video of them in the words training with weapons, dressed in camouflage, learning how to make explosives through videos. one photograph of how you would construct a mobile phone-based detonator for a bomb. the police chief also said to us this particular militant group had foreigners working with it who came here to learn. he said it included arabs and turks, to quote him directly there. and i said, could it have included an american, and he couldn't exclude that. he also said it may include people of dagestani or
what happened in dagestan. did he go to chechnya, is that relevant, or was this all centered, perhaps around some radical extremists he met when he was in dagestan? >> reporter: you're right, piers. we don't actually know tamerlan tsarnaev met with radical extremists. we know from his youtube channel, he posted a link to a video of a now dead dagestani extremist called abu dujan, the local almost islamist mafia warlord to a degree, a group of militants who today i spoke to police about....
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what's happened in dagestan is russia crushed the revolt in chechnya. it's moved to dagestan. these people are extraordinarily vicious killers. kill children, kill innocent people, blew up a theater. you're dealing with extremely dangerous people. when you get information from the russians that this man may be connected to something like that -- >> that is unusual for the russians to do this. >> it is. i know they're saying when we get information, we get information, it is unusual to get that kind of information, particularly about -- particularly about -- >> rudy, also, with all your experience again, it's not likely, is it, that these two brothers have just got all this knowledge off the internet and the first time they try and let a bomb off, they let two bombs go off in perfect technique, perfect execution. >> impossible. >> it's not likely, is it? much more likely is that tamerlan, older brother, in dagestan, attended some sort of training camp. >> think about the aborted bombing attempts when trained terrorists weren't able to execute correctly, the detroit christmas mo
what's happened in dagestan is russia crushed the revolt in chechnya. it's moved to dagestan. these people are extraordinarily vicious killers. kill children, kill innocent people, blew up a theater. you're dealing with extremely dangerous people. when you get information from the russians that this man may be connected to something like that -- >> that is unusual for the russians to do this. >> it is. i know they're saying when we get information, we get information, it is unusual...
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of the family came to dagestan in september two thousand and one when the boys rolled into a school then they apparently managed to get papers to leave dagestan they left in less than a year they didn't spend a long time here and they didn't grow up they first entered the school together with their two sisters back in two thousand and one however for a very short period of time in two thousand and two they left to the united states . or russia special services are also stress of the boston bombing suspects of a very tenuous connection to russia lived there for many years as we are just now here's what a source in the russian intelligence said quote since the brothers did not reside in russia or a special services could not provide our foreign partners in any valuable intelligence saddam but russian special services services are still nonetheless working closely with their american partners we got another quote as well saying quote we've established communications through the appropriate channels and our contacts will continue they were not. say now moscow warned against classing terroris
of the family came to dagestan in september two thousand and one when the boys rolled into a school then they apparently managed to get papers to leave dagestan they left in less than a year they didn't spend a long time here and they didn't grow up they first entered the school together with their two sisters back in two thousand and one however for a very short period of time in two thousand and two they left to the united states . or russia special services are also stress of the boston...
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i want to bring in nick payton-walsh in dagestan. you had a fascinating interview with these bombers, alleged bombers' mother today. we also discovered that she turned out to have also been on the receiving end of a warning from the russian authorities to the fbi, and they interviewed her as well back in 2011. a very significant development, you might think. >> reporter: she actually never mentioned when the fbi came to talk to tamerlan, her son, because they were in her words concerned about his radical islamic beliefs, that they in fact also expressed an interest in her. but it would make sense, because the two of them describe how they both went down that devout path pretty much the same time. this character misha, family friend, opening their eyes, in her words, to the correct islamic path, introducing tamerlan who then turned to his mother and said it's time to start covering your hair, dragging her i think it's fair to say, in that direction as well. but i should also point out, this is now i think perhaps the third instance in
i want to bring in nick payton-walsh in dagestan. you had a fascinating interview with these bombers, alleged bombers' mother today. we also discovered that she turned out to have also been on the receiving end of a warning from the russian authorities to the fbi, and they interviewed her as well back in 2011. a very significant development, you might think. >> reporter: she actually never mentioned when the fbi came to talk to tamerlan, her son, because they were in her words concerned...
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one is of course this link to dagestan may be much more sinister. we now know tamerlan, who had a wife and young baby here, decides to go back home for six months. we don't know what he got up to there, but we do know there were active islamic fundamentalist groups training in forests. with all your expert knowledge of bomb making and bombs, is it likely that they could have pulled off this boston marathon double bombing in the extremely efficient successful way that they did without having physically trained with similar devices, at least tamerlan, back in somewhere like dagestan? >> you know, piers, it actually works either way. either way, it has certain requirements. when you see the case, it also presents certain gaps. the biggest gap right now is that six-month trip to dagestan, because it could be all the answers we're looking for. where did they get the expert training, where were they able to test the device. you're not going to go read up on a device, follow the instructions, make it, put it in a public place, and set it off without first
one is of course this link to dagestan may be much more sinister. we now know tamerlan, who had a wife and young baby here, decides to go back home for six months. we don't know what he got up to there, but we do know there were active islamic fundamentalist groups training in forests. with all your expert knowledge of bomb making and bombs, is it likely that they could have pulled off this boston marathon double bombing in the extremely efficient successful way that they did without having...
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dagestan has a serious problem. she's from dagestan, he's from chechnya. i can buy the fact that they ended up here, they got their status. that part doesn't bother me. you know, what bothers me is the hypocrisy of people who want to act like action jackson and say why weren't we on these people, monitoring this guy? if they step back and quit with the histrionics and look at what they're allowed to do, they'll see that's what they did. >>> i'm puzzled as to the action characters you could have pulled from. you chose carl weathers, an interesting choice. >> i like him too. >> i think we've beat this into the ground. >> i don't think so. >> you want to keep going? >> i have one more thing. on another network which i don't mention, but it rhymes with cnn, bali, the gym, it's always cnn going on. there are pictures of the older brother boxing. i don't know if you've seen the pictures. he's always relaxed, shirtless like this. i'm thinking to myself, isn't this what they want? like if you know you're going to die and whether it's -- this is actually better tha
dagestan has a serious problem. she's from dagestan, he's from chechnya. i can buy the fact that they ended up here, they got their status. that part doesn't bother me. you know, what bothers me is the hypocrisy of people who want to act like action jackson and say why weren't we on these people, monitoring this guy? if they step back and quit with the histrionics and look at what they're allowed to do, they'll see that's what they did. >>> i'm puzzled as to the action characters you...
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. >>> a second meeting with american and russian officials in dagestan. adrian is there live with the latest, do we know when the familiar little be questioned again? >> reporter: actually, tamron, here, well, the mother, she was questioned. we think she spent about eight hours at the headquarters of the russian federal security services here in the capital of dagestan. it is believed that both u.s. and russian officials were present. the husband, father of the bombing suspects, was not there. he's been sick and staying at a relative's all this time. tamron? >> ardrian, do we know any othe reported in their lives? their day-to-day life? do we have any more details there? >> reporter: well, if you're talking about influences, the mother is a good person to start talking to. i mean, to start from there. she said to us that she and her son were very close. she loosely used the phrase it mama's boy. we know the mother is very religious. very devout. we are not suggesting that she led him him astray or anything. but the religious influence did seem to come fro
. >>> a second meeting with american and russian officials in dagestan. adrian is there live with the latest, do we know when the familiar little be questioned again? >> reporter: actually, tamron, here, well, the mother, she was questioned. we think she spent about eight hours at the headquarters of the russian federal security services here in the capital of dagestan. it is believed that both u.s. and russian officials were present. the husband, father of the bombing suspects,...
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the same clerics are back in dagestan trying to raise resistance against russia and chechnya. it would be inevitable he would run in to fallacies/al qaeda, whatever you want to call it. whether they gave him instructions to go to boston and set up these explosions, i don't know but he certainly would have learned more about this ideology there and i think it's a good chance he was further radicalized and decided maybe on his own, maybe with somebody's help to turn to violence. >> you say you have experience making these devices. it is not something you can just read about on the internet? the information is out there on the internet but you are saying it is not something you can read about on the internet and put together and maybe test here domestically? >> anderson, two years ago, i went down to huntsville, alabama. the atf put me through a course and let me observe it and there were explosives experts from afghanistan and iraq, american soldiers that came and knew their explosives, but in order to learn the homemade devices they had to go in to a course that was several wee
the same clerics are back in dagestan trying to raise resistance against russia and chechnya. it would be inevitable he would run in to fallacies/al qaeda, whatever you want to call it. whether they gave him instructions to go to boston and set up these explosions, i don't know but he certainly would have learned more about this ideology there and i think it's a good chance he was further radicalized and decided maybe on his own, maybe with somebody's help to turn to violence. >> you say...
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right now between the russians and the united states enforcement, but they really do know chechnya, dagestan and they know the people who are on these watches. >> and they just killed a couple of guys over the weekend. >> i think it's important to emphasize how early we are. we're still in april. we're still in the month this took place. find out who they've been in touch with and track all of that down. you can't possibly do all of that in two weeks. >> on the brothers, they were flagged in 2011. and then, as we said, again to the cia. and janet napolotano said the department of homeland security knew that he had come back. >> let's bring in jake tapper just for more investigation. he's in boston tonight. he's been working his sources all weekend. jake, what are you hearing? what's the latest? >> well, you touched on some of the information, the idea that the female dna was found on a component of the bomb and has been discussed on your panel. it doesn't necessarily mean anything, although law enforcement did take a sample from the widow of tamerlan tsarnaev. it's possible the dna whether i
right now between the russians and the united states enforcement, but they really do know chechnya, dagestan and they know the people who are on these watches. >> and they just killed a couple of guys over the weekend. >> i think it's important to emphasize how early we are. we're still in april. we're still in the month this took place. find out who they've been in touch with and track all of that down. you can't possibly do all of that in two weeks. >> on the brothers, they...
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he returned dagestan. do you know anything about this canadian boxer? >> i think i only know what you do wolf. i'd rather leave it at that. this is a very very sensitive investigation. i don't want to indicate i know something or don't know have been questions about what happened to him, but i can't go any further than that. >> what about this so-called misha, this armenian who converted to islam and some of the family members of the suspect say he brain-washed tamerlan into becoming a radical. what can you tell us about misha? >> again, lf i have to -- my understanding is they do know who he is. they are talking to him. i can't go beyond that as to whether or not he did have this svengag@li-like influence over him like the family members are complaining about or if he was just an associate who spoke with him. that's all part of now. >> as you know the russians say they intercepted a phone conversation between the mother in dagestan and presumably one of the sons in the united states in which they suppose, according to these reports, of jihad jihad. wha
he returned dagestan. do you know anything about this canadian boxer? >> i think i only know what you do wolf. i'd rather leave it at that. this is a very very sensitive investigation. i don't want to indicate i know something or don't know have been questions about what happened to him, but i can't go any further than that. >> what about this so-called misha, this armenian who converted to islam and some of the family members of the suspect say he brain-washed tamerlan into...
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so they had something very specific on the ground in chechnya or dagestan. i would be very interested to know what that was, what group he was associated with, was he going to training camps. and i completely agree, there is no explanation for going to dagestan for six months. if you've ever been there, it's not a kind of place you would take vacation. you know, it's a place where you would run into militants, and somebody like him who had converted himself to militant islam would go out and look for them. what do the russians know, who did he see? remember, zawahiri was there, was arrested. zacarias how sawy was there, and more than that go for military experience. my question is that where he got his, if he did have some. >> right. tom fuentes formerly with the fbi, your sources tell cnn the information the russians provided was extremely thin. but that said, the russians were right, this guy was apparently up to no good. how did he slip through the cracks? >> we still don't know what no good he was up to. he was reported, investigated here to the extent h
so they had something very specific on the ground in chechnya or dagestan. i would be very interested to know what that was, what group he was associated with, was he going to training camps. and i completely agree, there is no explanation for going to dagestan for six months. if you've ever been there, it's not a kind of place you would take vacation. you know, it's a place where you would run into militants, and somebody like him who had converted himself to militant islam would go out and...
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brothers has brought us here to this part of the capital of dagestan now this is the house where their parents left however as we try to reach them this morning it turned out that they fled to the neighboring region of chain to their relatives to avoid all the attention meanwhile this morning i managed to speak to the mother of the two brothers and she told me how devastated she is and that she still can't believe that her sons may have been involved in the bombings in our house nobody talked about it. my son. got involved in the. you know. i really do believe that's pretty high few years ago he was told by a b i like by by you they knew what my. what action what. we were going how could this happen how could they were conjoined. never ever this is not my sons are in and those neighbors we spoke to our shocks they said that it was a very nice and a very quiet family. i know the brothers very well from the childhood we used to live in chechnya together i was the neighbor then we moved here i know they couldn't have carried out the attack and they couldn't have been involved in it they s
brothers has brought us here to this part of the capital of dagestan now this is the house where their parents left however as we try to reach them this morning it turned out that they fled to the neighboring region of chain to their relatives to avoid all the attention meanwhile this morning i managed to speak to the mother of the two brothers and she told me how devastated she is and that she still can't believe that her sons may have been involved in the bombings in our house nobody talked...
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today fbi officials arrived in dagestan to talk to them. what do we know about the conversations between investigators and the parents and again i put in the caveat, you know, earlier the mother tried to say her sons were framed. people have questioned the father's influence on the sons. what were investigators talking >> we don't know the substance of the conversations. we do know the style of the conversations. a lawyer representing the mother said that the americans were kind and polite. now both parents spent all day inside the russian internal security headquarters building in the central of the city here. there was very little information actually coming out of the building itself from the ffb. that is typical of the situation. the building itself is so secretive. you're not allowed to film it. but it does seem to be the case that progress has been made now hearing from the russian state news agency that the parents are cooperating and will help investigators and will travel to the united states, erin. >> and, nick, you also -- i know
today fbi officials arrived in dagestan to talk to them. what do we know about the conversations between investigators and the parents and again i put in the caveat, you know, earlier the mother tried to say her sons were framed. people have questioned the father's influence on the sons. what were investigators talking >> we don't know the substance of the conversations. we do know the style of the conversations. a lawyer representing the mother said that the americans were kind and...
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artist on barton told me more about what was said by the brothers parents at a press conference in dagestan. in this press conference the mother and father said that they spoke about what their next plans would be and how their feelings were at this moment are they said that she was probably going to give up her u.s. citizenship she was very emotional in this short press conference she restated that she thought her sons were innocent that they've been framed was going to. do. this he was alive why. why. why. the father and source says now that he wants to fly to the u.s. perhaps today perhaps tomorrow as soon as possible really to pick up the body of his son tom alon also lands widow and his grandson tomlin's son fly with them back to russia to help look after them the mother also adds that she is not quite sure whether she's going to go to the u.s. as well there is a shoplifting charge there she says she doesn't think that she did it but she's still nervous she may face arrest if she goes. he was very late on co-opt his brother in this plot converted into this war extremist or plan to plan
artist on barton told me more about what was said by the brothers parents at a press conference in dagestan. in this press conference the mother and father said that they spoke about what their next plans would be and how their feelings were at this moment are they said that she was probably going to give up her u.s. citizenship she was very emotional in this short press conference she restated that she thought her sons were innocent that they've been framed was going to. do. this he was alive...
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dagestan is a chaotic situation. the russians don't bring this up without a very good reason. the question is why did the cia and the fbi decide that he wasn't a threat? on what basis? it's not like these things come in every day about. >> bob, in your gut, the key to you is what happened those six months in russia, right? >> absolutely. i mean, this could have been completely home grown, let's not exclude that. much scarier than if it came from abroad. i cannot believe he was in russia, in dagestan, converting to militant islam and didn't seek out fellow travelers. it doesn't seem reasonable to me. >> right. and adding to that, as we know, there's a lot of that six-month time line we don't know. he didn't show up at his dad's place or aunt's place until several months in his journey. we don't know what he was doing in all that time. he wasn't meeting with his relatives or living off his relatives. he didn't have money, had been living on welfare here in the united states. didn't have a job. how was he supporting himself, what was he doing? that's an open question. tom, julia,
dagestan is a chaotic situation. the russians don't bring this up without a very good reason. the question is why did the cia and the fbi decide that he wasn't a threat? on what basis? it's not like these things come in every day about. >> bob, in your gut, the key to you is what happened those six months in russia, right? >> absolutely. i mean, this could have been completely home grown, let's not exclude that. much scarier than if it came from abroad. i cannot believe he was in...
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we knew that he was going to dagestan. we lost track of him. we didn't know when he was coming back. and, by the way, we need to know the answer to the question -- and we may be getting it -- what did the russians do about watching him when he was back in russia? >> he was there, tamerlan, for six months last year. >> i presume someone was watching him. >> i assume, knowing the russians anddagestan, i'm sure they were. i hope there will will be a full-scale commission of inquiry not necessarily for recriminations but to learn from what happened, to make sure these kinds of mistakes don't happen again. >> by the way, that's congress' job, oversight is congress' job. >>> just ahead, has the fbi finally found the notorious misha that members of the bombing suspect's family blame for allegedly inspiring the boston marathon attacks? >>> and a riveting firsthand account of the bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev covered in blood and moaning in a great deal of pain just after being rushed to the hospital. i'm also a survivor of ovarian a writand uterine
we knew that he was going to dagestan. we lost track of him. we didn't know when he was coming back. and, by the way, we need to know the answer to the question -- and we may be getting it -- what did the russians do about watching him when he was back in russia? >> he was there, tamerlan, for six months last year. >> i presume someone was watching him. >> i assume, knowing the russians anddagestan, i'm sure they were. i hope there will will be a full-scale commission of...
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when he visited them in dagestan in early 2012. we know that he was within russia for some six months, and one theory is, it was during that time, exposure to people, events, this very violent corner of russia, that in some way contributed to his radicalization and ultimately those events that took place in boston. and the suspect's parents had to speak to u.s. officials and tell them what they think of the accusations made against their sons. for some days, they have been maintaining their son's innocence. not capable of what they are accused of and believed they have been set up by u.s. officials. phil black, cnn, moscow. >> and our thanks to phil for that. we have new developments this morning in the fbi's handling of the marathon bombing suspect, tamerlan tsavraev prior to the attack. russian authorities repeatedly reached out about their concerns of tsavraev may have been radicalized, the question, why wasn't he followed more closely? >> because additional information didn't come in, then the fbi says for our purposes, you wer
when he visited them in dagestan in early 2012. we know that he was within russia for some six months, and one theory is, it was during that time, exposure to people, events, this very violent corner of russia, that in some way contributed to his radicalization and ultimately those events that took place in boston. and the suspect's parents had to speak to u.s. officials and tell them what they think of the accusations made against their sons. for some days, they have been maintaining their...
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nic robertson is in the news conference in dagestan. he will join us live in a few minutes with more. meantime, here's the latest in the investigation. a congressman who sits tons house intelligence committee rae vealing the tsarnaev brothers used a remote control device similar to one used to operate a toy car to set huh the explosives. in the next 24 hours the father of the suspected bombers anzor tsarnaev is expected to arrive in the united states. we are told he is cooperating with the fbi investigation. and we've also learned that the russian not t only flagged the fbi about tamerlan tsarnaev, they also sent a warning letter to the cia after the fbi checked him out. both agencies determined there was not enough specific information to move on. so, with the new information about the use of remote controls, investigators are focusing on how these bombs were made. they want to know if the tsarnaev brothers got any helper happens from any militant inside dagestan. cnn's miguel marquez has the latest on this angle from the streets of bo
nic robertson is in the news conference in dagestan. he will join us live in a few minutes with more. meantime, here's the latest in the investigation. a congressman who sits tons house intelligence committee rae vealing the tsarnaev brothers used a remote control device similar to one used to operate a toy car to set huh the explosives. in the next 24 hours the father of the suspected bombers anzor tsarnaev is expected to arrive in the united states. we are told he is cooperating with the fbi...
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russia says two of the jihadists were killed in the raid in dagestan. the mother of the bombing suspects just this morning told cnn she will come to the united states if she can see her son, dzhokhar. the moment she steps on u.s. soil though she could be arrested on outstanding shoplifting charges. the mother is increasingly becoming a focus of the investigation after russian officials gave the u.s. a wiretap of her possibly discussing jihad back in 2011 with one of her sons. and we're learning more about the so-called mystery man accused of radicalizing the older tsarnaev brother. the u.s. official telling cnn the fbi has interviewed someone named misha about his association with the tsarnaevs. a writer for the new york review of books tracked the man to a modest apartment in rhode island that he shares with his elderly parents. the man denies brainwashing tamerlan tsarnaev and says he has spoken with the fbi and given them his computer and cell phone. now to the surviving suspect in the boston marathon blast. two weeks ago he was partying with classma
russia says two of the jihadists were killed in the raid in dagestan. the mother of the bombing suspects just this morning told cnn she will come to the united states if she can see her son, dzhokhar. the moment she steps on u.s. soil though she could be arrested on outstanding shoplifting charges. the mother is increasingly becoming a focus of the investigation after russian officials gave the u.s. a wiretap of her possibly discussing jihad back in 2011 with one of her sons. and we're learning...
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he was killed by russian special operations forces last july in dagestan. the other, mahmoud nidal, was killed in another russian operation last may. back home law enforcement officials say they found nothing in local landfills, but are still searching garbage containers in the belief that someone may have carried items out of dzhokhar tsarnaev's college dorm room a few days after the marathon bombings. authorities say it's not clear yet whether whoever may have done so knew evidence could be destroyed or did something just to help a friend. late today the judge in the case approved a request from dzhokhar tsarnaev's public defenders to add an experienced death penalty lawyer, judy clark of california, to his legal team. she most recently represented jared loughner, who pleaded guilty to the tucson shootings that wounded gabby giffords. in exchange the government did not seek the death penalty in that case. brian? >> pete williams starting us off from the d.c. newsroom tonight. pete, thanks. >>> throughout the past decade of deaths and injuries to americans
he was killed by russian special operations forces last july in dagestan. the other, mahmoud nidal, was killed in another russian operation last may. back home law enforcement officials say they found nothing in local landfills, but are still searching garbage containers in the belief that someone may have carried items out of dzhokhar tsarnaev's college dorm room a few days after the marathon bombings. authorities say it's not clear yet whether whoever may have done so knew evidence could be...
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nic robertson is following developments live from dagestan this morning. good morning, nic. >> reporter: good morning. well, this is certainly a place where you could get bomb training and weapons training. there is a vicious fight going on between security forces and rebels hiding out in the mountains here and roadside bombs, suicide bombs are typical of what the rebels are using against government forces. so when tsarnaev was here, betwedid he have the opportunity to meet with bombmakers, potentially absolutely yes. is there a proven link, no. he attended a mosque here that has a very radical reputation, a mosque that russian security services monitor, a mosque where people who have sympathies towards the rebels do attend, but were some of those people actual rebels, were they the rebel leaders that he later posted on one of his social networking sites, it's just not clear. did he actually talk to them. that's what russian security services here will be asking themselves as they continue in this daily battle, two fighters killed last night, three killed
nic robertson is following developments live from dagestan this morning. good morning, nic. >> reporter: good morning. well, this is certainly a place where you could get bomb training and weapons training. there is a vicious fight going on between security forces and rebels hiding out in the mountains here and roadside bombs, suicide bombs are typical of what the rebels are using against government forces. so when tsarnaev was here, betwedid he have the opportunity to meet with...
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that's already yesterday here in dagestan. he said that he was going to try and see his son dzhokhar in hospital but they said they had been told they wouldn't be able to see dzhokhar in hospital as you would expect. so it is very confusing. is he going to go friday? there are several flights he could be on to moscow and connect home to the united states. it just isn't clear. he has poor health at times. we're told that he came out of that press conference and wasn't feeling well. he didn't seem to be so unwell when i talked to him but, again, very hard to tell what this family is really going to do and when they're going to do it, wolf. >> nic, thanks very much. nic is reporting for us from dagestan in russia. when we come back there's been another bizarre twist in the search to determine who sent president obama and other officials ricin-laced letters. that's coming up. more on the boston investigation as well. but first, a preview of this week's next list. >>> this will be the 40 megawatt solar field. >> they told him he co
that's already yesterday here in dagestan. he said that he was going to try and see his son dzhokhar in hospital but they said they had been told they wouldn't be able to see dzhokhar in hospital as you would expect. so it is very confusing. is he going to go friday? there are several flights he could be on to moscow and connect home to the united states. it just isn't clear. he has poor health at times. we're told that he came out of that press conference and wasn't feeling well. he didn't...
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at least during the time he was in that dagestan city he had exposure to radicalism. there was several clashes between islamist troops demanding independence for dagestan from russia. no hard evidence again but circumstantial evidence of the significance of this trip before, by all accounts he had turned much more conservative in his islamic beliefs. after that it all ratcheted up. after the trip he spoke out at a local moderate boston mosque, started posting islamic videos on his youtube site and allegedly started to make preparations for that boston attack along with his surviving brother dzhokhar. jon: perhaps there will be time to answer the question in the days ahead. the father moved his family here claiming, you know, asking for political asylum, now he's back living in dagestan? >> reporter: he is there, and his mother was there too. his mother actually spoke twice with officials, last night we are told and again today, again his mother echoing the father's line that in fact his sons are innocent, were innocent, and in fact it was all because they were in fact
at least during the time he was in that dagestan city he had exposure to radicalism. there was several clashes between islamist troops demanding independence for dagestan from russia. no hard evidence again but circumstantial evidence of the significance of this trip before, by all accounts he had turned much more conservative in his islamic beliefs. after that it all ratcheted up. after the trip he spoke out at a local moderate boston mosque, started posting islamic videos on his youtube site...
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dagestan is a vastly more islamic place. i am much more worried about the six-month and dagestan. it varies differently and how it is held by people there, and how much a lot of aids action. many of the people who are called muslims call themselves muslims know nothing about their faith. they are what the soviets called thnict muslims.-- ehtni muslims. they know they are muslims. the not know what it means. a good muslim would know, you pray five times a day. he did not know. unfortunately, we use the term muslim without an appreciation of the fact that what happened has happened in the north caucuses and even more in central asia. it reflects the experience is of a community that had an identity but has no content for that identity. suddenly there were people available to provide that content. prior to 1991, very few people could've told you the difference between one story the koran and another. it was only published twice a people there. they do not know very much. i believe that the opening of the southern border may prove ultimately more faithful than the opening to the weste
dagestan is a vastly more islamic place. i am much more worried about the six-month and dagestan. it varies differently and how it is held by people there, and how much a lot of aids action. many of the people who are called muslims call themselves muslims know nothing about their faith. they are what the soviets called thnict muslims.-- ehtni muslims. they know they are muslims. the not know what it means. a good muslim would know, you pray five times a day. he did not know. unfortunately, we...
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a militant in dagestan ran a bomb making training camp for foreign visitors. russian special forces-day-old abu dujan in december. they had a video of abu dujan on his youtube channel but we don't know if they ever met face to face during tamerlan's visit. good morning, nick. >> john, i should point out a few hours ago with spoke to the mother of tamerlan tsarnaev in a fairly length think interview. two things standing out from that. she said the fbi approached in 2011 and was going to put him on surveillance. she also said to us that she believes the father will be traveling to the united states in the coming days and she will probably be staying behind here following his foot stips later. above all in that interview we got a real sense of the distress that she's under. >> you know mother, you're a moth have a mother, right? just because you are not mother, you won't understand it. i am mother. loving mother of two kids. i don't know. i'm feeling crazy. i don't know. i have no strength. i have nothing. i have no sleep. i am just like dead, like a dead person.
a militant in dagestan ran a bomb making training camp for foreign visitors. russian special forces-day-old abu dujan in december. they had a video of abu dujan on his youtube channel but we don't know if they ever met face to face during tamerlan's visit. good morning, nick. >> john, i should point out a few hours ago with spoke to the mother of tamerlan tsarnaev in a fairly length think interview. two things standing out from that. she said the fbi approached in 2011 and was going to...
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. >> reporter: a key focus for investigators centers on tamerlan tsarnaev's visit to dagestan in 2012 and what he did during his six-month stay. authorities tell nbc news they are weighing russian reports on what they learned about tamerlan while visiting family. the big question sunday for lawmakers, whether tamerlan received training during his trip. >> i suspect that ultimately we're going to conclude that a lot of radicalization took place before the trip. that these brothers, particularly the older brother, were more self-radicalized than online sources were probably among the most significant factors. >> reporter: several former counterterrorism officials tell nbc news investigators are leaning toward a theory that the two suspects did not have training and acted alone. pointing to serious flaws in the operation. the suspects had no escape plan and returned home after the bombing. police say they carjacked a vehicle and stole money from the victim. and on the day of the bombing, authorities say they stood out and unlike everyone else were not in a panic. in boston, at the old so
. >> reporter: a key focus for investigators centers on tamerlan tsarnaev's visit to dagestan in 2012 and what he did during his six-month stay. authorities tell nbc news they are weighing russian reports on what they learned about tamerlan while visiting family. the big question sunday for lawmakers, whether tamerlan received training during his trip. >> i suspect that ultimately we're going to conclude that a lot of radicalization took place before the trip. that these brothers,...
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contents of fireworks as a component. 5,000 miles away, fbi agents were in the russian province of dagestan to interview the parents of the bombing suspects. the mother insists her sons could not be terrorists. >> what's happened is a terrible thing but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i'm mother. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. >>> charges against the mississippi man accused of sending ricin-laced letters to president obama and senator wicker has been dropped. investigators are looking at the home of a new suspect. tracie potts has the latest. >> reporter: good morning. dropped apparently for lack of evidence. they searched the suspect's home and found no traces, no evidence at all of ricin, this after paul kevin curtis spent one week behind bars. the mississippi man accused of sending those letters to senator wicker, to president obama and to a mississippi judge. but after being released he spoke with his attorney and said that he's looking forward to getting back to normal. here's more of what he said. >> i respect president obama, i love my country
contents of fireworks as a component. 5,000 miles away, fbi agents were in the russian province of dagestan to interview the parents of the bombing suspects. the mother insists her sons could not be terrorists. >> what's happened is a terrible thing but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this. i know it. i'm mother. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. >>> charges against the mississippi man accused of sending ricin-laced letters to president obama and...
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for around ten years he apparently attended school in russia's republic of dagestan eleven years ago we reached out to that school and they told us that dzhokhar spent there one year and that his family arrived there from karega stunning two thousand and one here's more about their this family's brief time in russia's republic of kyrgyzstan. rolled into the first green and after just a year he left. his family's from kurdistan there were flu children in sam only to see them to draw in two thousand and one he entered the school and in two thousand and two they left for the u.s. to. authorities have told the media here that the band arrived in the u.s. in two thousand and three approximately at that time their reporter there reportedly us permanent residents it's all very sketchy at this point it's a very fast developing story so we're going to be we're going to try and verify those reports to the suspect who was killed earlier tonight is reported to be joker's twenty six year old brother to madeleine sorrow of what more do we know about them while the elder brother who was killed had
for around ten years he apparently attended school in russia's republic of dagestan eleven years ago we reached out to that school and they told us that dzhokhar spent there one year and that his family arrived there from karega stunning two thousand and one here's more about their this family's brief time in russia's republic of kyrgyzstan. rolled into the first green and after just a year he left. his family's from kurdistan there were flu children in sam only to see them to draw in two...
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ref, tsarnaev was in dagestan for six months and the russians never went and questioned him. there was nothing stopping them from doing that. it appears it wasn't the highest priority for them, either. >> dan benjamin from dartmouth, thank you very much. good to see you, dan. thanks for the help. >> my pleasure. >>> and tamerlan tsarnaev's outbursts at a mosque. we'll hear from the center's spokesman, coming up next. >>> time for the "your business" entry prenear of the week. ryan arnoldi was inspired by the paint-stained scraps, collecting them to use as wrapping paper. now he founded wrapped, and sells his products across the country. for more watch "your business" sunday mornings on msnbc. we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like membership. accomplishing even little things ca
ref, tsarnaev was in dagestan for six months and the russians never went and questioned him. there was nothing stopping them from doing that. it appears it wasn't the highest priority for them, either. >> dan benjamin from dartmouth, thank you very much. good to see you, dan. thanks for the help. >> my pleasure. >>> and tamerlan tsarnaev's outbursts at a mosque. we'll hear from the center's spokesman, coming up next. >>> time for the "your business" entry...
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. >> reporter: a key focus for investigators centers on tamerlan tsarnaev's visit to dagestan in 2012 and what he did during his six-month state. authorities tell nbc news they are weighing russian reports on what they learned about tamerlan while he was visiting family. the big question sunday for lawmakers, whether tamerlan received training during his trip. >> i suspect that ultimately we're going to conclude that a lot of the radicalization took place before the trip. that these brothers, particularly the older brother, were more self-radicalized, that online sources were probably among the most significant factors. >> reporter: several former counterterrorism officials tell nbc news investigators are leaning toward a theory that the two suspects did not have training and acted alone, pointing to syria's flaws in the operation. the suspects had no escape plan and returned home after the bombing. police say they carjacked a vehicle and stole money from the victim. and on the day of the bombing, authorities say they stood out and unlike everyone else, were not in a panic. in boston,
. >> reporter: a key focus for investigators centers on tamerlan tsarnaev's visit to dagestan in 2012 and what he did during his six-month state. authorities tell nbc news they are weighing russian reports on what they learned about tamerlan while he was visiting family. the big question sunday for lawmakers, whether tamerlan received training during his trip. >> i suspect that ultimately we're going to conclude that a lot of the radicalization took place before the trip. that these...
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way to becoming one but both of chechen origin the older brother to milan is said to have traveled to dagestan in russia for several months . in twenty four to be. done just on the show to make detonators put these things together with. nutrition despite the media rage these locations remain unknown to some lot of people are confusing it with check with the back yeah and. yeah whatever it's called i know i did i can't assume that the majority of americans today even speak english young at the time of the bombings that star nine have spent the last decade living in the us in the country sure thank you for you and while the origin and yet again religion oh very largely gleaned as the root of all evil the investigation is only in its first stages so the family maybe they're hammering just south of their plan there are those who do the two brothers see the media is taking it over the top they can't always be trying to rush to be the first ones to break a new piece of information local blogger luis vasquez knew both brothers while he was here since he was little and if you didn't know to harras nam
way to becoming one but both of chechen origin the older brother to milan is said to have traveled to dagestan in russia for several months . in twenty four to be. done just on the show to make detonators put these things together with. nutrition despite the media rage these locations remain unknown to some lot of people are confusing it with check with the back yeah and. yeah whatever it's called i know i did i can't assume that the majority of americans today even speak english young at the...
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that's six months he spent in dagestan right now is a black hole. we need to learn more about it. did he undergo training there? was there any operational direction? i agree with phil mudd, if there were operational direction, it wasn't very good, and the training doesn't seem to have been all that good. was this part of alienation of young immigrants to the united states, or is this part of chechen anger against moscow, or was this part of the global jihad? we're going to have to find out. >> as we discussed earlier, this reopens the debate about how to handle terror suspects, and we already saw a fairly contentious debate between dianne feinstein and pete king. one, tsarnaev is an american citizen, has been here for a decade. should he be treated as a criminal after the public exception questioning, read his miranda rights, told his right to remain silent, or should he be treated as an enemy combatant so you can get all the intelligence out of him that you can? >> as a matter of the constitution, chris, our fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, he's a u.s. citizen on
that's six months he spent in dagestan right now is a black hole. we need to learn more about it. did he undergo training there? was there any operational direction? i agree with phil mudd, if there were operational direction, it wasn't very good, and the training doesn't seem to have been all that good. was this part of alienation of young immigrants to the united states, or is this part of chechen anger against moscow, or was this part of the global jihad? we're going to have to find out....
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russian forces killed him last december in dagestan. dagestani police have revealed to cnn this small-time militant ran training camps for bomb-making that foreigners came to. police gave us images of his group training in the woods. this one explains how to mix and prepare homemade explosives almost anywhere. and the group's pictures suggest they learned to use a mobile phone as a debtonater. >> translator: we do not have audio or visual confirmation, but we have information confirming that he met with foreigners. there are dagestanis who come here to meet in their historical mother land whose roots are here. >> reporter: could that have included americans? >> translator: it's entirely possible. but i know there were arabs and turks among them. but whether there were americans, i don't know. >> reporter: the police chief told us that abu dujan was observed coming here to this islamic mosque behind me which itself denies any links to extremism. it is possible, though, that tamerlan tsarnaev last year also prayed here. >> translator: of
russian forces killed him last december in dagestan. dagestani police have revealed to cnn this small-time militant ran training camps for bomb-making that foreigners came to. police gave us images of his group training in the woods. this one explains how to mix and prepare homemade explosives almost anywhere. and the group's pictures suggest they learned to use a mobile phone as a debtonater. >> translator: we do not have audio or visual confirmation, but we have information confirming...
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that interview took place in a government building in dagestan. russian television is reporting that the parents are cooperating with the fbi in their investigation. nbc news pete williams has developed the following chronology of the family's prior contact with the fbi, according to u.s. officials. in january 2011, the russian government asked the fbi for information about tamerlan, the older brother. saying he planned to visit russia and that both tamerlan and his mother may have become radicalized. the fbi asked the russians for more information, but the russians did not respond. the fbi checked their terror databases and found nothing. fbi agents interviewed tamerlan and his family in cambridge then, and the agent's conclusion was nothing negative found. that conclusion was then reported to russian officials. eight months later in september of 2011, russian officials asked the american government for information on tamerlan and his mother again, but this time, they put their request directly to the cia. like the fbi before them, the cia asked
that interview took place in a government building in dagestan. russian television is reporting that the parents are cooperating with the fbi in their investigation. nbc news pete williams has developed the following chronology of the family's prior contact with the fbi, according to u.s. officials. in january 2011, the russian government asked the fbi for information about tamerlan, the older brother. saying he planned to visit russia and that both tamerlan and his mother may have become...
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we were just talking to nick paton walsh,dagestan. he just spoke with the mother of the two young boys, the mother and father actually gave a news conference. pretty mobile news conference at that. here is a clip of what this mother had to say. >> somebody told that misha was, and they were close friends, and so they think that misha made him become more -- more -- somebody told them that misha was the one who was influenced on him. >> and you met misha? >> of course i met misha. >> reporter: describe misha. >> very nice. nothing wrong. very intelligent. very like -- nothing to talk about. >> i want to ask about his trips, particularly interested in the time he came to dagestan. >> about what? tamerlan? a lot of questions about tamerlan and his trips. >> two trips, one in 2011, and one in 2012? >> no. only 2012. >> only 2012. >> um-hum. >> reporter: and that was six months in which he was with -- >> yeah. >> and are you going to america? >> i think so. i think so. >> reporter: you want to? >> yeah, because i really want to -- i really
we were just talking to nick paton walsh,dagestan. he just spoke with the mother of the two young boys, the mother and father actually gave a news conference. pretty mobile news conference at that. here is a clip of what this mother had to say. >> somebody told that misha was, and they were close friends, and so they think that misha made him become more -- more -- somebody told them that misha was the one who was influenced on him. >> and you met misha? >> of course i met...
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the russians are really in control in terms of intelligence of the north caucasuses, whether dagestan or chechnya. they have the expertise, they speak the languages. the cia and the fbi have pretty well stayed away from these regions because they are so complicated. they haven't been a threat to date. and so we defer to foreign governments. now, we don't entirely trust the russians on this because he may have simply been a political dissident but nonetheless, it's indicative, we're looking at an organization behind these two boys. >> the chechens were obviously involved in taking more than 100 people hostage in that moscow theater. there was also the incident, taking over the school in beslan. obviously the chechens had been fighting in the war in bosnia in the early '90ss. i remember seeing them in and around sarajevo in '93, '94, even now in syria, there are reports -- >> and afghanistan. >> afghanistan, certainly. david fitzpatrick, our producer is on the scene. david, what are you seeing again? >> they are some ways in back of the property. i see armed agents, police, fbi, their g
the russians are really in control in terms of intelligence of the north caucasuses, whether dagestan or chechnya. they have the expertise, they speak the languages. the cia and the fbi have pretty well stayed away from these regions because they are so complicated. they haven't been a threat to date. and so we defer to foreign governments. now, we don't entirely trust the russians on this because he may have simply been a political dissident but nonetheless, it's indicative, we're looking at...
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and in fact, there have been two wars fought in chechnya, which neighbors dagestan, since the soviet union breakup in the early '90s. there have been a number of terrorist bombings attacks in russia as a result of the separatist movement, both in chechnya and in dagestan. there have been some relatives in dagestan who have actually come out, we spoke to a cousin just now to said that if they saw dzhokhar now, they would slap him. they do seem to believe, in their conversation with us, that it was possible that he was guilty. back to you. >> adrienne mong, sounds like some of the family there agrees with the uncle here. >>> meanwhile, back here in the united states, investigators will do two things to help paint a picture of the brothers. they have already been talking to family and friends, as we just heard there from adrienne, to try to get a sense of who they were and how they lived. they will also pore over their lives on social media, looking at their twitter and facebook the can accounts. evan coleman is a terrorist analyst, and he studieds jihadi chat rooms and social networkin
and in fact, there have been two wars fought in chechnya, which neighbors dagestan, since the soviet union breakup in the early '90s. there have been a number of terrorist bombings attacks in russia as a result of the separatist movement, both in chechnya and in dagestan. there have been some relatives in dagestan who have actually come out, we spoke to a cousin just now to said that if they saw dzhokhar now, they would slap him. they do seem to believe, in their conversation with us, that it...
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already radicalized young american are the tamerlan tsarnaev who is already crazy that he went back to dagestan bordering on chechnya. he went back there and sat in the apartment for six months watching reruns of gilligan's island. he unquestionably went back to make contact with the real terrorists. he was a groupy. he wanted to get on stage and he obviously, obviously got training in bomb making and how to set up an attack. to believe anything else in the absence of hard evidence to the contrary, it is just politically correct foley. >> let me play devil's advocate. why couldn't they get a manual or internet guidance, go down buy the ingredients because you know that stuff saul over the place and put it together themselves? >> it is possible. it is also improbable most would be bombers who try to construct that kind of device wind up blowing themselves up or their amples off. it could have been done. this just felt too smooth. now, these guys were amateurs. but they were practiced amateurs who had, you know, the elder brother, i am convinced by how well this was orchestrated strange con julie
already radicalized young american are the tamerlan tsarnaev who is already crazy that he went back to dagestan bordering on chechnya. he went back there and sat in the apartment for six months watching reruns of gilligan's island. he unquestionably went back to make contact with the real terrorists. he was a groupy. he wanted to get on stage and he obviously, obviously got training in bomb making and how to set up an attack. to believe anything else in the absence of hard evidence to the...
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today that moved over to places like dagestan. it is a very complicated thing. some people when you talk about the taliban, they may be interested only in what is going on that part of the world or north africa and they have no transnational hostilities at all in mind, but you have to be very careful and the fact that wee seen the chechens in afghanistan and we've seen them in syria. there was a plot just last year in spain, that included chechens. that we have to be concerned that this conflict in the southern part of russia is moving beyond those borders and may affect our security and we don't know that we can't say for sure, that affected our security in boston but there is reasons for, that is one of the alleys we need to go down to be sure if we have a new threat vector coming at us. jenna: i have only 30 seconds here. >> right. jenna: the bigger story this week was about $100 million plus going to syrian rebels to fight against assad but we know some of the worst of the worst islamist militants are working with the rebels, the chechen militants we were ju
today that moved over to places like dagestan. it is a very complicated thing. some people when you talk about the taliban, they may be interested only in what is going on that part of the world or north africa and they have no transnational hostilities at all in mind, but you have to be very careful and the fact that wee seen the chechens in afghanistan and we've seen them in syria. there was a plot just last year in spain, that included chechens. that we have to be concerned that this...
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the mother held his hand and guided him around dagestan like a child because frankly it is a dangerous place. they went to chechnya to visit relatives. there was a wedding they missed but wanted to catch up with relatives in the aftermath of. his father said tamerlan need ad passport because his passport was expiring. he didn't have an american pass port. he was trying to get a russian passport so he had documents. they claim they went a mosque but there was no radicalization that was happening, bill. bill: amy kellogg watching that story from london and leading our coverage. here is martha with more from here. martha. martha: more on the story megyn kelly broke. the fbi say the suspect's mother knew as possibly as early as two years ago that her son tamerlan had been radicalized and she sent text messages about this to her family in russia suggested that her son had changed. that he was willing to die for islam. very dramatic developments. megyn kelly, anchor for america live, what can you tell us about that? >> it is not surprising, when you see the mother crying on the sound bite yo
the mother held his hand and guided him around dagestan like a child because frankly it is a dangerous place. they went to chechnya to visit relatives. there was a wedding they missed but wanted to catch up with relatives in the aftermath of. his father said tamerlan need ad passport because his passport was expiring. he didn't have an american pass port. he was trying to get a russian passport so he had documents. they claim they went a mosque but there was no radicalization that was...